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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (maxhealth @ Nov 18 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"you can see how the line between thought and action fades with such groups as white supremacists/nationalists, and this article is decidedly white "nationalist""

    No, sorry, i do not see how the line between thought and action fades when it's a so called "white supremacist" group. Just calling for equal rights gets you that label. You are clearly a leftist and very much in favor of thought crime laws. And i'm sure you think black nationalist groups such as farakhan's group which openly avows racism is just fine. Or did i read your mind?

    "its pretty obvious in real life that white people are viewed as high on the ladder by everyone else"

    Well then, the only thing to do is make them give a big handout to all the groups who aren't doing so well. Why don't we just take away all the money owned by the rich folk and give it to poor people? You like that idea a lot i bet.</div>

    Wow max, you read me like a book, because I don't suscribe to the idea of this huge conspiracy against whites that means I'm also pro-Farakhan and pro-handouts, even though I stated I'm against the socialist path of this country. Ad-hominem attacks are usually a sign of weakness. I am not pro "thought crime" laws, because it just gets folks like you (see I can do it to!) riled up about what you're not allowed to say and makes the "thoughts" even more desirable. That said, there is a rationale for hate crimes and thats what I was explaining, and honestly I don't really care to defend the rights of people to incite spite and indignation against me [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img] . The fact that white people are high on the ladder does not make me want to change that, my point is be grateful for your status, without bitching about how hard it is to be white in America. I certainly don't bitch about my status as being Jewish (which I would find to be ridiculous), so I find it ironic how people who complain about Jews using the victim card all the time use it more than I ever have. I will say that people who are quick to judge and stereotype based on limited information about someone else are the people I have the least respect for.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (acoli @ Nov 18 2009, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I certainly don't bitch about my status as being Jewish (which I would find to be ridiculous), so I find it ironic how people who complain about Jews using the victim card all the time use it more than I ever have. I will say that people who are quick to judge and stereotype based on limited information about someone else are the people I have the least respect for.</div>

    Dude, we already knew you were Jewish.



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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Par Deus @ Nov 18 2009, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, we already knew you were Jewish.</div>

    [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] I knew that you knew as well, for the point of argument I had to refer to it myself though.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (acoli @ Nov 18 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] I knew that you knew as well, for the point of argument I had to refer to it myself though.</div>

    Do you understand that you started posting on this board specifically to defend your people??

    Do you accept that I should be able to speak out to defend mine?



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    And, given your own statement that white folk are on top of the ladder, do you find it in any way incongruous with history and fucking common sense, that they should thusly be perpetual shit-takers, sacrificing themselves to all comers in the country they created??

    And, furthermore, do you ever consider that maybe your people are taunting the hibernating bear and such a strategy might ultimately be bad for the Jews?


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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Par Deus @ Nov 18 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you understand that you started posting on this board specifically to defend your people??

    Do you accept that I should be able to speak out to defend mine?</div>

    I've been a member since 2006, mostly lurking which you can tell by the post count, and up until a month ago exclusively on the neuroscience, health... board.

    You're "able" to speak about whatever you want, so your asking if I find it justified? Well, the thing is you define "defending your people" as attacking "mine", ie. its not like someone on this board is accusing white people of all these wrongs. That is, I'm simply replying to accusations, whereas you are the one making the accusations. Nothing wrong with relieving frustration, and I'm sorry I was overly defensive in an earlier thread, but it seems over here my opinions are seen as taboo for being mainstream while yours' are fine and dandy.

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    Aren't Jews a religious group, not a race?

    Or no?

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Par Deus @ Nov 18 2009, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And, given your own statement that white folk are on top of the ladder, do you find it in any way incongruous with history and fucking common sense, that they should thusly be perpetual shit-takers, sacrificing themselves to all comers in the country they created??

    And, furthermore, do you ever consider that maybe your people are taunting the hibernating bear and such a strategy might ultimately be bad for the Jews?</div>

    Well, one I don't see how whites are shit-takers right now, and anybody who tries to put guilt on whites is not someone I would associate myself with. See, I have no problem with white people whatsoever, whereas you have a problem with Jews. The second part is a thinly disguised threat and thats kind of the thought/action boundary I referred to in a previous post. Honestly, I have no idea what the hell you mean by "my people" taunting the hibernating bear, and I think that gets to the root of the problem, you know all these things about Jews and their plans which I have never heard about from any Jews I know, so how can I believe that you know them better than I do?

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    acoli i simply asked you to explain your views and whether or not you agreed with certain positions and you call that an ad hominem. Do you deny being a leftist? Rather than engage in an honest debate you do this little crappy stuff. And then you accuse par of threatening you. What did he threaten, i don't see it.

    I ask the left to defend special handouts for certain groups and I get all these tangents about how whites are at the top of the ladder so they owe somebody. There is no way to defend it logically so naturally they can only attack you and claim they are the ones being attacked. Playing the typical victim card, that's what it is.

    I ask you again, is farakhan a racist or not? Should he be locked up for hate crimes? How can you defend thought crimes anyway? And explain to me how that is an ad hominem?
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (maxhealth @ Nov 18 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>acoli i simply asked you to explain your views and whether or not you agreed with certain positions and you call that an ad hominem. Do you deny being a leftist? Rather than engage in an honest debate you do this little crappy stuff. And then you accuse par of threatening you. What did he threaten, i don't see it.

    I ask the left to defend special handouts for certain groups and I get all these tangents about how whites are at the top of the ladder so they owe somebody. There is no way to defend it logically so naturally they can only attack you and claim they are the ones being attacked. Playing the typical victim card, that's what it is.

    I ask you again, is farakhan a racist or not? Should he be locked up for hate crimes? How can you defend thought crimes anyway? And explain to me how that is an ad hominem?</div>

    Its an ad hominem because you said I am clearly a leftist, support Farakhan, support handouts, based only on what I said about the danger of hate crimes, in order to refute my argument about that subject. Yes I deny being a leftist because I am right-wing and have stated that numerous times, rather you prefer to stereotype me. I won't defend handouts because I don't support them, and Farakhan is clearly a racist and anti-semite, and no he shoudn't be locked up because that, as I stated, will cause people to rally behind him and his speech that perhaps otherwise would not. Also, as I already stated, when I said whites are on top of the social ladder it does not mean they owe more than any other group, I was simply saying don't pretend being white is such a burden. Saying that "my people" will get what's coming for them for their actions against "white people" seems to be a threat, damn there I go playing the victim card again. Finally, as I have stated I am unsure/don't care all that much about laws about thought crimes, if I were to pick a side it would be against thought crimes, but will defend some its rationale against people who think passionate accusations against a group poses no danger to that group. Pretty much this whole post is repetition of previous things I have stated, so certainly you won't see a point in my posts if you gloss through them with your left/right glasses on filtering everything into one side based on the first thing you read. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img]

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    Don't worry Acoli, maxhealth tends to assume that anyone who doesn't immediately agree with him is a crazy leftist. He has a habit of assuming things like that, and then gets confused when people point out that he is committing an ad hominem in the process of discounting your statements.

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    Acoli tells us now he's a right winger. I guess kite is too? Is calling someone a leftist an attack now and you have to deny it? We all know it's true, don't deny something as obvious as the nose on your face. If you defend aff action, race based handouts and so on, you are a leftist. Get used to it.

    Saying there are more ceo's that are white than black proves they work harder. Or is the fact that most nba members are black proof of racism against whites? No, it's based on merit same as most other things. You people want it both ways, if a black succeeds, its because he earned it. If a white succeeds, it's because he's white.

    And since when is saying your people will get what they deserve a threat? Maybe he meant they will get a huge handout? You know you would like that. You should say thank you.
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (maxhealth @ Nov 18 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Acoli tells us now he's a right winger. I guess kite is too? Is calling someone a leftist an attack now and you have to deny it? We all know it's true, don't deny something as obvious as the nose on your face. If you defend aff action, race based handouts and so on, you are a leftist. Get used to it.

    Saying there are more ceo's that are white than black proves they work harder. Or is the fact that most nba members are black proof of racism against whites? No, it's based on merit same as most other things. You people want it both ways, if a black succeeds, its because he earned it. If a white succeeds, it's because he's white.

    And since when is saying your people will get what they deserve a threat? Maybe he meant they will get a huge handout? You know you would like that. You should say thank you.</div>

    Haha man you're a joke, can't believe I actually tried to argue with you. I already stated I don't defend handouts or affirmative action, but you have an agenda and one little push sends you into a crazed rant about leftists. If you're on amphetamines I'll excuse you, because that enthusiasm happens to me too, but with a name like that shouldn't you be able to get the right dose?

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (acoli @ Nov 18 2009, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha man you're a joke, can't believe I actually tried to argue with you. I already stated I don't defend handouts or affirmative action, but you have an agenda and one little push sends you into a crazed rant about leftists. If your on amphetamines I'll excuse you, because that enthusiasm happens to me too, but with a name like that shouldn't you be able to get the right dose?</div>

    Who was it that said it was an "ad hominem" to call someone a leftist and you should make such personal attacks? I would have sworn it was our own acoli but here he is foaming at the mouth because i dared to question his sacred cows. Isn't that ironic? Now tell me that post above isn't anything but one long personal attack? The man had a meltdown in a civil argument. That's the way it is with the left. You try to keep it to a civil discussion based on facts and they make unsupported statement and go ballistic when you question them. Have a little self control, man.

    You clearly spoke in favor of such laws and said if a "white supremacist" said something it should be a hate crime. You should stand up and say what you stand for, not pretend to go along with whatever is trendy. If you are in favor of hate crime laws, aff action and so on, just say so.
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    An ad hominem attack is a logical flaw used in an argument. I am no longer arguing with you, so you could classify the previous post as an insult if you like, but that was not my intention as much as serious concern about your amphetamine dosage. Besides, I know this is the kind of thing you live for, to tear down a leftist. But us having an argument is like what happens when a straight guy is in jail for a long time and makes someone else his bitch. If it satisfies you I'll admit I'm a leftist, and you can nail me with your huge conservative cock. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img]

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (acoli @ Nov 18 2009, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>An ad hominem attack is a logical flaw used in an argument. I am no longer arguing with you, so you could classify the previous post as an insult if you like, but that was not my intention as much as serious concern about your amphetamine dosage.</div>

    "so you could classify the previous post as an insult if you like, but that was not my intention as much as serious concern about your amphetamine dosage."

    Oh my god, i can't believe you can say that with a straight face. You aren't trying to defend any of this and you certainly did not want to attack me, no matter how much it looked that way. You were only concerned about my meth use. Uh huh.

    That's why i say, just come out with what you believe in. Don't worry about being accepted for it, just come out with it. Don't say one thing out of one side of your mouth and then the opposite thing out of the other side. If you are in favor of race based hate crime laws, aff action, minority set asides, hiring quotas and so on, just say so. Give your reasons why you think these things are so good and we'll have a polite discussion. You know how to do that don't you?
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (acoli @ Nov 18 2009, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've been a member since 2006, mostly lurking which you can tell by the post count, and up until a month ago exclusively on the neuroscience, health... board.

    You're "able" to speak about whatever you want, so your asking if I find it justified? Well, the thing is you define "defending your people" as attacking "mine", ie. its not like someone on this board is accusing white people of all these wrongs. That is, I'm simply replying to accusations, whereas you are the one making the accusations. Nothing wrong with relieving frustration, and I'm sorry I was overly defensive in an earlier thread, but it seems over here my opinions are seen as taboo for being mainstream while yours' are fine and dandy.</div>

    dude, par doesn't even like most white people (and I like par, he's def smart, no doubt). I guess I just don't think about this shit as much. Neither does my italian side of the fam, nor my hispanic side. Where do I, or my kids fit in this whole scheme. Being biracial, and my seeds even more, shit like this sux to read. Just saying.

    I don't think/or believe shit like this will go down. Maybe I'm just ignorant, I don't know.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir Savage @ Nov 18 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Aren't Jews a religious group, not a race?

    Or no?</div>

    I think that it is somewhat commonly accepted that the Jews are both a ethnic group and a religious group. This becomes more clear when you consider the implications of the phrase "secular Jews."

    This said, the qualifications necessary to become a Jew are hotly debated, both inside and outside Judaism.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (John Smith @ Nov 19 2009, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is no race-based handout.

    You haven't heard of affirmative action?
    Stop viewing yourself as the victim. Stop viewing your race as the victim, be it black, white or yellow.

    Get out of the group mentality. People of all race receive handout. People of all race exhibit racist or overly-PC behaviors.

    People receive handouts for all sorts of reasons. I think the general point here is that certain racial/ethnic groups are receiving vastly disproportionate handouts based solely on their racial backgrounds.

    There are people of all races in the upper class, black, white, asian and they're all paying taxes to Uncle Sam.

    Irrelevant

    Of course, now you will be tempted to make this about class. Upper class vs lower class.

    Keep fighting among yourself. The only ones making the laws are the politicians and lobbyist.

    If you read the OP it becomes clear that one of Par's main points has to do with the corrosive paradigm of thought/behavior the politicians and lobbyists in this country are operating under.

    There will always be poor people asking for handout. There will always be criminals.

    A man who controls his own freedom will never be a slave.

    Empty rhetoric.</div>

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Par Deus @ Nov 18 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you understand that you started posting on this board specifically to defend your people??

    Do you accept that I should be able to speak out to defend mine?</div>
    The Jews are a people with deep and rich culture, as well as terrible history of oppression against them. par, you just wish the same could be said for "your people".

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